). There are many scientific
studies and debates that continue, concerning a cosmic happening, the
ongoing product of which attempts explaining how our bodies evolved or are
evolving. (there are MANY sides to this discussion) One side proposes that
God does not exist therefore, knew nothing of it and another contends that God, be the architect of it all. (Me thinks the
entire "debate" is prideful silliness with very few fruitful side
effects.) These studies for the most
part, concentrate on THE
HUMAN MAMMAL. Such studies have serious trouble,
of their own, let alone in giving reason to the
existence of our Spirit and its ability to control or be controlled by the body. The Bible (even if
viewed as an historical document) really has the patent on that issue. (Don't
you wish some earthling could PROVE scientifically that Body and
Spirit coincide, as it would have to be able to put a Legal end to abortion for starters???)
we are NOT dealing with the body theory here as much as the Body
Spirit Issue, in that we can prove we have a body by looking in a mirror,
but prayer takes place in Spirit and this writing is about "prayer"... so anyway back to the
How is it that we are alive?
Question #1). Were we alive prior to the time
in our Mothers womb?
Answer: #1): NO
Question 1a) Were we dead?
Answer 1a): NO. It may be
that we simply did not exist, although, If we did exist it was in spirit and that spirit belonged to God but
we had no Life of
Question #2). When did this life of body
and spirit begin?
Answer #2): At the
time of conception. The bible states that God knew Jeremiah even before and
womb, so it should probably be reckoned that, He knew the rest of us also and Christians all seem to agree that "Life" is our Gift from God.
2a). My Mother knows
life at that
time. She has reminded me of the times "She
Question #3). Are
we alive now?
Answer #3): My fingers having typed this and you reading it, is proof.
(or look in a mirror)
Are we still Alive After WE DIE an
Question #1). Will
me if my
squished by a Mack Truck while driving tonight and a Doctor says
"Sorry he didn't make it" to anyone that might care?
Answer #1): The body would most assuredly be DEAD. My Spirit would be alive and no longer
accountable to "time".
Question #2). Presuming
participation with the Triune Gods Will, during this "time" on earth,
to at least a minimum degree of satisfaction in His Judgment: Will
person be in
heaven (as the Irish in me has to put it) Before the devil knows
old man got Macked?
Answer #2): Yes (well at least
person won't be Here).
So in Christian thinking that option is
out, in that a major portion of the Christian concept of earthly death is the separating of body
Question #3). At
that point could
person (my spirit) suddenly become a different person ,
then it was when connected to my body on earth, in the areas of love for my family,
friends or my fellow man in general?
Answer #3): That would be weird, and really make this whole "earthly existence" thing
meaningless and trivial to the point that for God Himself to have come to
earth, (In the Person of Jesus) and do all that He did, would have been a waste of "time".
Some Examples of Living Spirits with
and without bodies. as follows:
Within the Good Book, many times
we read of the earthly appearance of Angels. (so apparently they can commute back and
forth, in that they are not restricted with an earthly corpus (human body) and are
not accountable to the commodity known as
As well as prior to Our Lords
we read of a very true story being recorded
when Jesus took three of his Apostles
on a walk up a mountain
and an apparition with Moses and Elijah happened. (both known to BE DEAD) And the heavenly guests with Jesus looked
real enough that Peter and the guys wanted to set up tents for them.
Then there was when Our Lord Died on
The Cross for
men of all times, at which time He told (the one we have all
come to refer to as) "the good thief" who died that day, "this day you will
be with ME in My Fathers Kingdom". (or "paradise" or "His Own Kingdom" pretty much
depending on which translation of scripture you prefer to follow and with or
without the quotation marks)
anyway: And "graves
opened" and me thinks what happened was the dead (and some
people had really deader then dead bodies) came to life.
AND THEN WHAT?
were taken to heaven after being seen by the locals? (probable)
b). We have some really really
old people walking around here 2000 years later. (Not likely or me thinks Genis Book of World Records would have caught up with them at some point.)
c). God allowed them to
die before Jesus' earthly time, raised them from the dead for some
unbeknownst reason and they have since died a second death? (No "c" doesn't make sense.
So either there is a "d" around somewhere or "a" is starting to look better.)
And if those two times and other
recorded events in Scripture are not enough to ratify the existence of
"living people" outside this finite world of time and corporal reasoning.
Our Tradition has recorded numerous "apparitions" throughout the centuries
that have been painstakingly scrutinized by reliable investigators (With
many case studies taking 30-50 years and longer). Although many have been found to fall
short of the scrutiny, hundreds upon hundreds have been deemed to be
authentic. As well as many of us, have no problem in "believing" the
"scientific documentary" horror shows on TV (In many cases taking up to A
MONTH to produce) where the evil ghosts of humans come back to haunt others.
So if they exist at least that should make it little more plausible for
Saints to be in heaven.
(Additional thoughts on this last thought)
My entire point of the rambling is:
THE SPIRIT OF EACH HUMAN EVER CONCEIVED: LIVES.
a). Because the
Bible tells us so, it should be so to our faith. Even if we don't "see that"
in those Inspired Writings, we have been taught by tradition.
b). Tradition points
out that there are people in heaven and that some (possibly the Elect
as they have come to be known)
have been given the
privilege by God, of from time to time being messengers
to mere earthlings, delivering inspiration through which increased or
fervor of souls has often
been the result. For most, these (experiences) stay away from the realm of superstition and
within the graces of justifiable faith making Magnification of the Glory of the Kingdom
as the end
product. But furthermore, even if we are not willing to
believe in Tradition.
c). We all seem to
have the inner inkling, and this would seem to be the collective workings of The
Holy Spirit. In that we each know someone. (and of course Jesus is
the First Fruit) Whom, by Gods obvious graces, has lead a life that is
inspiring to us. Causing us to feel "they should be in heaven by now". Maybe it is our own Mother
(or Mary Mother of Jesus) or
our own Father or a close Friend or Mother Theresa of Calcutta or St. Peter the
Apostle or Billy Graham (when he leaves us) ... SOMEONE...
c1). Some troubles
in following this type of inkling are:
proper heavenly discernment, it can be
"judging" instead of "honoring".
b). If that Someone is yourself, spiritually this would seem
to be a
direct assault on the
humility necessary to be a serious candidate.
Once Given the Gift of Life, all individuals live forever in one form or
another, ( body & spirit / spirit separated from body / body reunited with
spirit ) but the longest lasting "form" of life will be that of
the (Body Reunited with Spirit / resurrection / eternity).
2). No one is
really totally "dead" other then in the minds of persons that may not have a
true faith in the / pre-time / earthly / and eternal Jesus, and are only willing to put trust in the "time"
factor. That lack of faith is, one of the tricks of the enemy and, has no bearing on the reality of the situation.
3). If any
Individual is a person of prayer on earth, they will be all the more a
person of prayer after leaving this earth and while in heaven. At that point in our existence
prayer will finally
be what we are best at. Without the distractions of this world
(and knowing those things that earlier were taken on faith ) the individual spirit, could only
improve in the communication factor with the Object of ALL Prayer. (that
being The Triune God)
So when it comes to Praying To The
1). What is commonly
called "Praying TO the dead" ...
a). Makes sense in the form of asking them to
intercede ..which if one thinks about it is really praying WITH
that person in that the intercession being asked for, is to intercede with
God whom they have the privilege of being with to one extent or another. Much like at any earthly get together or worship service
when we pray communally. With a couple exceptions:
a1). Discernment of Spirits is needed when one no longer
has the advantage of visual contact.
a2). We are not able to be as pure in prayer of Spirit, as
they are, because of our earthly baggage.
2). What is commonly
called "Praying FOR the Dead'..
a). Makes sense in giving Glory and Praise to
the Triune God for the work God has done with that person and in
Thanksgiving for the privilege of having been allowed to see God through that
b). It makes sense to Intercede for that person who is no
longer physically here and be
willing to make right, any wrongs to others (that are still walking this
earth) who may have been inadvertently harmed by them. (Gods Justice can
allow this, but that is up to Him, and correct Heavenly
Discernment is needed )
What is commonly called "Praying WITH the Dead"
a). Makes sense to allow
ones self to be ready to "take up where they left off" in any known virtuous
areas of their earthly life. That if by adding ones own
Actual Graces to the
ministries they were involved in, we can continue building Gods Kingdom on
earth until it is our turn to leave here. (we
can be pretty sure "the dead
person" will be praying for or with
us during such endeavors for the needed
graces, because obviously they were used to it)
4). But if we are
willing to say "I will not pray for the dead because they are dead and my
prayers can no longer help them".
a). That is putting a lot of presumptuous
power into our own intercessory ability to help the "living".
b). One is denying the Life of the
Spirit of God which is still a part of the Gift of Life given to that "dead person".
That Spirit which is still alive., Only somewhere on the way to be fully united with The
Object of their Complete Desire and their own God Given Glorified body, same as you and me, although they are one big step ahead in the
To which if "I will not pray to
or for or with the
dead" would be our conviction...
1). Why have a "funeral"?
(and one certainly could not attend one) For
if we are dead for a minute we are dead for an eternity and having a public
gathering and even one prayer
(private or communal) would be a falsehood to
2). Have Christian Burials of all time been an insult to God?